Jim Hampton says Dan Winkler was removed as a co-signor on the account because church members did not want to get involved in the legal matters of this case.

Farese Turner reads from a letter sent to donors when this case was filed. The letter was asking donors to give the reason why they donated money. Farese Turner points out the wording changed from helping the Winkler girls to helping the Winkler family. Farese Turner asks if that was done to plant a "memory" in the head of the donor. Hampton says he thinks both letters say the same thing essentially.